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287 comments on Road map for ‘Monsoonistan’ laid: Rains move into Pakistan!

Road map for ‘Monsoonistan’ laid: Rains move into Pakistan!

โ€œThis is the sixth article related to the monsoon season of 2013 and the last one of the yearโ€

‘Monsoon remains strong despite threats?’

Monsoon
Monsoon surrounds the Capital city Islamabad

Pakistan is lashed by rains mainly from July to Septemberย from the South-west monsoon. The monsoon reaches Pakistan towards the beginning of July and establishes itself by the middle of the month. The strength of the monsoon current increases fromย mid or late July; it then remains steady, and starts retreating towards the end of August, though occasionally, it continues to be active even in September. After September the monsoon withdraws from the country.ย But tropical activity could occur before and after the monsoon, mainly in May till June and then in September till November. Certain events like El-Nino, La-Nina, Positive Indian ocean Dipole, Negative Indian ocean Dipole, Madden-Julian oscillation, the position of Jet Streams etc have an effect on the monsoon season.


Farmers of Sub-continentย depend heavily on the monsoon season for itsย agricultural and water needs. A deficient monsoon has a negative impact on the economy of Pakistan and India as most crops depend upon this rainy season though each other more than hundred people die due to this weather phenomenon.

Past Monsoon over Pakistan

  • 2009 Monsoon
Karachi witnessed freak rain in July
Karachi witnessed near record-breaking rain in July

During this year most of Pakistan was going through El-Nino that caused 30% below normal rainfall. Coastal and adjoining South-eastern parts of the Sindh province experienced above normal rainfall. Following are the important features of the 2009 monsoon season;

  1. First proper rain in the country experienced on July 18 in the southern parts, isolated activity was observed in the northern areas.
  2. The Monsoon’s performance was severely affected El-Nino.
  3. 205 mm rain fell in Karachi on July 18 in 24 hours.
  • 2010 Monsoon
2010 floods approaching
2010 floods approaching

In 2010, Pakistan saw its worst flooding in its living memory. Very heavy to extremely heavy rainfall was observed especially in some parts of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa and northern Punjab. A subtropical Jet Stream was too south than it’s normal position over the northern areas as it trapped the rains over upper parts of the country. Following are the important features of the 2010 monsoon season;

  1. Pre-monsoon season witnessed tropical cyclone ‘Phet’ in the coastal areas.
  2. The Monsoon’s performance was enhanced by La-Nina.
  3. 415 mm rain fell in Risalpur, Khyber Pakhtunkhwa during the period of July 27 till July 30.
  4. Extremely heavy rains unleashed massive flash floods that started from the northern areas and moved towards the southern areas that killed more than 1,700 people.
  • 2011 Monsoon
Army helping the affected people
Sindh sub-merged under rainwater

Monsoon’s performance was normal to moderately above normal in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa and Punjab however it was extremely above normal in the Sindh province. Following are the important features of the 2011 monsoon season;

  1. Heaviest rainfall was recorded in Sindh province especially eastern parts whichย exceeded historical recordsย in August and September.
  2. 1348 mm rain was observed in Mithi from August till September while the average is more than 100 mm.
  3. Late La-Nina conditions were observed in the Pacific Ocean that ended in April 2012.
  4. The flooding was responsible for the deaths of 430 people in Sindh.
  • 2012 Monsoon
Streets flooded due to mid-night rain
Streets flooded due to mid-night rain in Sialkot

Mostly normal monsoon rains were witnessed in the northern areas of the country while below normal rains occurred in the extreme southern areas of the country. Post-Monsoon season was highly above normal in the upper areas of Sindh province. Following are the main features of the 2012 monsoon season;

  1. Probably the first major rain of 2012 monsoon fell in Sialkot,ย Sialkot (NE Punjab) was soaked by heavy rainย in just 7 hours on July 26 as 128 mm rain fell.
  2. Late Positive Indian ocean dipole was observed during the last weeks of monsoon.
  3. 441 mm rain fell on September 9 in just 36 hours in Jacobababad, Upper Sindh, aย 100 year old recordย was broken in the city. It was a post-monsoon event.

Performance of current Monsoon

In the month of June, rains were mostly normal to slight above normal in parts of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa and Punjab while normal to below normal in the southern areas;

  • 2013 Monsoon

Following are the main features of the 2013 monsoon season;

  1. Aย very active pre-monsoonย was observed, Lahore got 102 mm rain on late June 14.
  2. Islamabad got 105 mm rain between July 6 and July 7.
  3. Negative Indian Ocean Dipole can have an effect on the monsoon season in middle of the season.
  4. Neutral ENSO conditions are observed till now, with possibility of weak La-Nina later in the season.
  5. Pre-monsoon activity started from June 11, gained peak on June 13 and ended on July 16 night.
  6. The first monsoon spell started from June 27 though the isolated activity had started since June 25, the spell lasted till July 1.
  7. The second monsoon spell started from July 6 though the isolated activity started from early July 5.
  8. The third monsoon spell can start during the mid-week of July in some parts of the country including Karachi.

When will Monsoon start over Karachi?

Karachi's thunderstorm in August 2006
Karachi’s thunderstorm in August 2006

The monsoon generally reaches Pakistan during the first week of July while Karachi gets hit by monsoon during the second week or mid-week of July (July 15). Following are the dates of first proper rains during the monsoon season in Karachi during the last few years;

  • On October 3, 2004 – The city experienced drought-like conditions, the first proper rain occurred due to Cyclone Onil that was about 35 mm.
  • On September 10 and September 11, 2005 – ย  80 mm rain fell in a long spell of much-awaited rains. Before the rain,ย drought-like conditions were observed in Karachi during the monsoon.
  • On July 30, 2006 – ย 22 mm was recorded however on August 17, 56 mm rain was recorded which was the first torrential rain after 2003.
  • On June 21, 2007 – About 40 mm (unconfirmed) rain was recorded while on June 23 a strong windstorm (111 km/h) followed by rain (17 mm), rains continued till June 25 due to Cyclone Yemyin. On June 30, 43/45 mm rain fell with strong gusty winds. On August 10 and August 11, 191 mm rain was recorded in Karachi. On August 22, 81 mm rain was recorded in the metropolis.
  • On July 29, 2008 – Proper monsoon rains started from July 29 as 50 mm rain was recorded.
  • On July 18, 2009 – 205 mm rain fell in the metropolis in just 24 hours. On August 31, 147 mm rain was recorded in the city.
  • On June 6 and June 7, 2010 – ย Karachi got 152 mm rain due to Cyclone Phet. ย The city experienced an active monsoon season from the first week of July till second week of September.
  • On September 11 and September 12, 2011 – The first proper monsoon rain occurred on September 11 till Septemberย 12, a total of 140 mm rain was recorded in the city, it was the part of the ongoing flooding rain in Sindh. On July 26,ย 7 mm rain was recorded, rains also occurred in August.
  • On September 5 and September 6, 2012 – The city was experiencing drought-like conditions however on those days 41 mm and 65 mm rain fell respectively.
  • On June 13, 2013 – 22 mm rain was recorded in Karachi.

Active rains bring floods India – Rivers flowing high in Pakistan!

Floodwaters engulf India
Floodwaters engulf India

Early monsoon rains have brought devastatingย floods in Indiaย as the rains wereย ย 375% above normal in Uttarakhand state of India while heaviest in 22 years.ย It is common to see eastern and western weather fronts colliding with each other during the monsoon season that causes cloudburst in some case. Such pattern was responsible for theย Indian floodsย where already the rivers were flowing at high level.

Normally a strong winter season means a weaker summer but the summer of 2013 was little different, high temperatures on a wide scale were observed in Pakistan and adjoining India that continued even in June.ย The above situation has caused the thick snow cover over the northern areas of both the country to melt at a faster rate thus increasing the river flow. Even before the rains in June in Pakistan, the Khyber Pakhtunkhwa province witnessed mild river floods that sub-merged nearby houses and buildings,ย 16 peopleย lostย their lives in the province due to rapid increase in river flow.

Is Monsoon tackling all odds?ย 

Warm eastern waters while cool western waters
Warm eastern waters while cool western waters

As compared to last year in which there was a fear of ‘total collapse’ of monsoon (Repeat of 2009’s monsoon), this year the threat of deficient rains is minimum as compared to last year. The only obstacle in the way of this year’s monsoon remains the negative Indian ocean dipole which can develop during the middle of the monsoon season which can cause decrease in rain activity from mid-week of July till August, aย common fear shared by the American, Australian, Japanese and south Korean Weather Agencies.

The World Meteorological Organization (WMO) has said that neutral conditions would prevail in the Pacific ocean however the above weather agencies have said that there is a 65% probability of formation of La-Nina later in the season which will decrease the effects of negative Indian ocean dipole in the month of September, this can only happen if both of these phenomenons form on their expected time.

Our View on the upcoming season

Rain from July till September - Image from PMD
Rain from July till September – Image from PMD

Pakistan Weather Portal (PWP)โ€™s monsoon forecast that was issued on May 6 and was revised on June 6, following is the forecast of PWP;

โ€œMonsoon 2013 would set in early this year in India due to the formation of a low pressures in Bay of Bengal,ย Monsoon will beย very activeย in the month of June as there is a possibility of pre-monsoon in Sindh and Punjab, moderate to heavy downpour can occur in Punjab (including Lahore) and Sindh (including Karachi) during the late midweek and last week of June due to the weak Madden-Julian Oscillation (MJO) wave.ย Eastern & western winds interaction possible during this period of June and later in the season in upper areas of Pakistan which could lead to heavy rainfall over Khyber Pakhtunkhwa as well.ย Monsoon onset in Pakistan can take place in the last weeks of June/first week of July especially in the northern areas of the country. Pakistan can experience near to normal rainfall in June till early July on the wider-scale whileย normal to below normal rainfall after mid-week of July till Augustย as a whole.ย North-eastern Punjab and Azad Kashmir can witness some frequent heavy downpour in the month of July.ย Due to the high possibility of the formation of negative Indian ocean Dipole, rain activity could be significantly hampered from mid-week of July and August, a partial effect of weak La-Nina might beย observable later in the monsoon season (which could ย weaken the effect of -IOD in September).ย However an event of isolated flash flooding/urban floodingย (happens every year)ย can never be ruled out.โ€

Monsoon Special articles for 2013

You can read special monsoon article byย Pakistan Weather Portal (PWP),ย here;

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287 responses to “Road map for ‘Monsoonistan’ laid: Rains move into Pakistan!”

  1. Tarim Avatar
    Tarim

    What would gain peak in August ? The rainfall or -IOD ? Confused.

    1. PWP Avatar

      We are trending towards negative -IOD as per the latest SST image and it could be developed till August therefore used the word ‘peak’ though now changed it to avoid confusion.

  2. HKhan Avatar
    HKhan

    Thank you for the informative article. We appreciate it.
    So after this second spell ends, there is a 50/50 chance for more monsoon rain in North Western Punjab?? I have a feeling that this year Ramdhan will be dry as well. :(

    1. PWP Avatar

      Welcome HKhan.
      After the second spell ends, the third spell can start (mentioned in the article).
      Upper areas of Punjab should not be worried for long dry spells :)

      1. Tarim Avatar
        Tarim

        Yeah because it’s always SIndh left with dry weather.

      2. PWP Avatar

        Well if La-Nina does come back then we might see rains/improvement in monsoon condition as we have been witnessing since 2010, 2011 and 2012 September.

  3. Tarim Avatar
    Tarim

    This low will also dissipate before reaching Sindh.

    1. PWP Avatar

      Wait for the second spell in the north to end.
      Then this spell would be clear, little early to discuss it’s future.

      1. Muhammad IMTIAZ Avatar
        Muhammad IMTIAZ

        Babar Bhai what about khyber Pakhtunkhwa in Ramadan,? Will Khyber pakhtunkhwa will be facing dry spells in Ramadan?

      2. PWP Avatar

        Long dry spells may not occur. In KPK the rains can be normal to below normal in July.

  4. Tarim Avatar
    Tarim

    You mean that SIndh will get meaningful rains in September ?

    1. PWP Avatar

      The charts of few models (CGCM) that I have observed show improvement in the rains in September that they could be near normal. The average rain for Karachi and Hyderabad is 22 mm and 19 mm respectively in September.

  5. arif Avatar
    arif

    what about south punjab in ramdan? will it be facing dry spells

    1. PWP Avatar

      Some chances of rain in middle week of July. During the next few days chances of drizzle/isolated showers in RY Khan, Bahawalpur, Bahawalnagar district.

  6. Saleem Ahmed Avatar
    Saleem Ahmed

    AoA,
    Why not we should plan a suicide attack on these peopels i.e. El-Nina, La Nina, IOD etc. Ye bhi Al-Qida ka koi chakkar maloom hote hen….ya phir as usual YAHODION ki koi planning ho gi….so ‘Qadam barhao Babar, Hum tumhare sath hen’…. :P :P

    1. PWP Avatar

      Walikum Assalam.
      hahahaha…nothing will happen to them :P

  7. Saleem Ahmed Avatar
    Saleem Ahmed

    I believe Babar, sirf aik Cyclone in Arabian sea could changed your each and every calculations/predictions as you people certainly cant predict when any low pressure could turned into a cyclone…:)

    1. Tarim Avatar
      Tarim

      Cyclones are extremely rare in the subcontinent in this time of the year.

    2. PWP Avatar

      If a low does form, dont expect to become a cyclone overnight :P
      When there will be tropical low you would know that it has some chances of developing into a depression/cyclone. Tarim is right, cyclones do not form in the monsoon season especially Arabian sea.

  8. Tarim Avatar
    Tarim

    GFS isn’t showing rains in Karachi this week, it’s showing rains from 22nd.

    1. PWP Avatar

      GFS will keep changing, maybe tomorrow it wont show any rain on July 22 as well.

      1. Tarim Avatar
        Tarim

        :D:D:D:D

      2. Tarim Avatar
        Tarim

        Always the bearer of bad news KM :p

  9. Saleem Ahmed Avatar
    Saleem Ahmed

    Thank you Tarim, agreed but cyclones are un predictable too. Also, i used to check weather.yahoo.com every once in a while and found that most of their predictions regarding KHI is 99.9% accurate.

  10. Sardar Ahmad Jibril Lutfi Avatar
    Sardar Ahmad Jibril Lutfi

    Thank you for the informative article.I appreciate it.
    Sir can you tell me what will happen in Islamabad and Khaur.Any sign of heavy to very heavy rainfall.

    1. PWP Avatar

      Welcome Ahmad.
      There are chances of more rain till July 10, at times heavy (isolated very heavy cannot be ruled out).

  11. arif Avatar
    arif

    in south punjab the monsoon of 2013 will be normal or below normal

  12. Salman Siddiqui Avatar
    Salman Siddiqui

    admin aik baat bataye sab loog mid week of july se karachi main rain start honay ka kah rahe hai lekhen ager yeh -iod active hogaya to phir kaisay karachi main rain hogi? kyun k -iod se toh august tak southern pakistan main rain k chances kam ho jaigay to phir to karachi main rain nahi ho sakaygi?

    1. PWP Avatar

      I will give you the example of 2009 Monsoon which was an El-Nino year. It was the worst monsoon in India in years despite being a bad monsoon, it did advance into Kerala early that is May 23 (early since 2005). The Monsoon did enter all the monsoon parts of Pakistan though its coverage and intensity was weaker than a normal monsoon. Some parts also got above normal rains (Karachi and coastal areas of Sindh). So Monsoon rains can occur but if -IOD does form then the coverage and intensity of monsoon could be affected.

      1. Tarim Avatar
        Tarim

        -IOD :p

      2. PWP Avatar

        lol..corrected :P

  13. Aqib Avatar
    Aqib

    than u for your most prestiguos work well done babar bhai ……:)

    1. PWP Avatar

      Welcome Aqib :)

  14. Tarim Avatar
    Tarim

    This site is also showing heavy rains in Karachi from 21st :

    http://www.timeanddate.com/weather/pakistan/karachi/ext

  15. Tarim Avatar
    Tarim

    There must be a reason why GFS is showing the low dissipating before entering SIndh.

    1. PWP Avatar

      Still light to moderate rain chance persist during mid-week of July.

      1. Tarim Avatar
        Tarim

        Light to moderate ? Well, I guess I’ll just wait for 21st july now.

      2. PWP Avatar

        Better go to Islamabad or Lahore for vacations :P to see rains..

  16. Tarim Avatar
    Tarim

    Well, this forecast of 21st will also change from heavy rain into dry weather eventually, just like always.

    1. PWP Avatar

      That timeanddate site follows GFS.

      1. Tarim Avatar
        Tarim

        Wow :p

  17. Ahsan Avatar
    Ahsan

    Hi Karachites

    Don’t look for monsoon rain predictions for KHI in any website..You will always disappoint.

    Stop watching the north side and wailt till the November with the hope of good rainy winter season as last year lasting till April. The good amount of rains fell from Nov to Apr without any hassle like -IOD, Dust Cloud lonh wait for formation of low pressure area and when time comes its dissipate or change its direction. KHI has a long history of dry monsoon seasons except for few good years. (1994 my favorite)

    Ahsan

    1. Tarim Avatar
      Tarim

      Not sure if joking or serious.

    2. Tarim Avatar
      Tarim

      Do you really think that Karachi would always be lucky like the last winter season ?

  18. Saleem Ahmed Avatar
    Saleem Ahmed

    Babar, what happened to the thunder cloud/low that was moving towards ISB/LHR this morning and now suddenly backing off. Also have seen thunder clouds in central India. Are these clouds moving towards SIndh?

    1. PWP Avatar

      A western low is over the northern areas of the country, those thunderclouds are moving eastwards. A weak UAC is over Rajasthan and adjoining areas. Those thunderclouds over central India for last few days have been moving in a WSW/SW direction though they weaken by the time they enter Sindh.

  19. Saleem Ahmed Avatar
    Saleem Ahmed

    BREAKING NEWs———Finally a CYCLONE Has bee Formed——–
    Tarim / Babar, please hurry up and inform all the members immediately.

  20. Saleem Ahmed Avatar
    Saleem Ahmed

    BUT
    in south China Sea… :P :P :P :P
    this was the laughter therapy 4 all those who are desperately hoping rain in KHI :( :( :(

    1. PWP Avatar

      Good therapy :) Thumbs up !!

    2. Tarim Avatar
      Tarim

      Bekar therapy.

  21. Waseem Ahmed Avatar
    Waseem Ahmed

    Zabrdast article because one article is covering 5 monsoon season including 2013..
    But unfortunately nothing for sindh in july

    1. PWP Avatar

      Thank you Waseem… :)

  22. HKhan Avatar
    HKhan

    Karachi’s day temperature is lower than that of Islamabad and Lahore is that because of the sea?? I think the heat must be tolerable there even without rain unlike how hot it gets in ISB and surrounding areas during summer and with no rain during whole summer, like the year 2012 in our area, the temperatures here get unbearable.
    This summer is a relief though, I hope we keep getting these rains even if after a week or so..

    1. PWP Avatar

      Exactly thats due to the Sea breeze, the weather of Karachi is quite pleasant during the monsoon season. The evening/mornings can be cloudy with occasional drizzle. The good part of Islamabad/Lahore is that after bearing high temperature they get heavy showers with gusty winds.

    2. Tarim Avatar
      Tarim

      You people get rains almost daily in the monsoon season and also in the winter season, what more do you want ?

      1. HKhan Avatar
        HKhan

        I wouldn’t mind no rain in summer if the temperature is like that of Karachi and also, if water supply for households doesn’t run out like it does in our village. We had no water last summer because of lousy monsoon.

        BTW, who asked for anything more?? I am just saying, I hear Karachi people complaining all the time about rain but I still think they are bit lucky with lower temperatures than ours with those sea breezes..

      2. HKhan Avatar
        HKhan

        This is what started it..

        You sound like you are accusing us of getting more rains than Karachi.. lol, like it is our fault you do not get enough rains.

        Btw, all my posts are directed at PWP owner, and to no one else. Thank you.

  23. Zeeshan Avatar
    Zeeshan

    Dear Tarim,rain is not always attractive weather. You may confirm this from people of Bangladesh :)
    Bro Babar, how do u rate start of monsoon this year so far?

    1. Tarim Avatar
      Tarim

      People want to see a kind of weather that they don’t always see.
      It’s always raining in Bangladesh. So, Yeah !

    2. PWP Avatar

      Taking about June;
      Well northern Punjab and few parts of KPK have witnessed above average rains, other areas have witnessed near normal to below normal. Few parts of Upper Sindh witnessed above average rain. Somewhat near normal in Azad Kashmir. Pre-monsoon was active (as we saw rains stretching from north till southwards).
      Taking about July;
      Good start to monsoon rain again in northern Punjab and few parts of KPK. South Punjab and Sindh is dry with spotty activity, usually their time come after second/mid-week of July.

  24. Tarim Avatar
    Tarim

    Don’t even try to compare the weather of Bangladesh with us.

    1. Tarim Avatar
      Tarim

      ours*

    2. HKhan Avatar
      HKhan

      You are so stingy, what wrong?? Not a very attractive attitude, I prefer the humble personalities like Babar bhai. He is very helpful and positive. God bless him.

      1. Tarim Avatar
        Tarim

        Is there something wrong I said ?

      2. Tarim Avatar
        Tarim

        And what about you ? You get so much rain but still unthankful, sad.
        We’re thankful for the temperatures in Karachi. Karachi also had temperatures from 38-42 during the heatwave similar to Punjab but you people get rains from which temperature reaches 25-30.
        You talk about my attitude, have you seen yours ?

      3. Tarim Avatar
        Tarim

        Yes Babar bhai has humble personality but he has a page to run. So, he has to maintain his fan base :D

  25. Zeeshan Avatar
    Zeeshan

    :)

  26. Tarim Avatar
    Tarim

    @KM :

    Has the low formed in the BOB ?

    1. PWP Avatar

      It is still an UAC.

      1. Tarim Avatar
        Tarim

        It could intensify into a low pressure by 11th.
        You probably know that :p

      2. PWP Avatar

        Yes it will intensify gradually but now the thing we need to see if it will have enough strength to give rains in Karachi during the mid-week of July.

  27. HKhan Avatar
    HKhan

    @ Tarim,
    We do not get rains daily, we have to wait a week with soaring temperatures for another spell of monsoon to start and that too, we get only half an hour rain here on a night with average intensity, and if the spell is to last 4 days, then we r lucky to get 3 nights/days of rain..usually comes at night time here. Must be better in Islamabad but I live in a village called Jalalia which is near Attock city.

    1. Tarim Avatar
      Tarim

      But you do get rains. Average rainfall for Islamabad is 1100+ mm while Karachi’s average rainfall in 146 mm. WOW !!!

      1. Tarim Avatar
        Tarim

        800 mm average for Attock.

  28. Tarim Avatar
    Tarim

    So ungrateful you are lol.

  29. Tarim Avatar
    Tarim

    Temperatures reach 40C in Karachi in summer, we get a relief from this temperature in the monsoon season with near normal rainfall. You should be thankful instead of criticizing me.

  30. PWP Avatar

    Dear people please do not argue/fight, every part of Pakistan’s weather is good in it’s own way :) Cheer up!

  31. Sajid hussain Avatar
    Sajid hussain

    PWP please update about upper sindh in coming days what will happen

    1. PWP Avatar

      Upper cities of Sindh were mentioned in the Monsoon of Pakistan page.

  32. Sardar Ahmad Jibril Lutfi Avatar
    Sardar Ahmad Jibril Lutfi

    Raining in isb and khaur.

  33. Saleem Ahmed Avatar
    Saleem Ahmed

    Dear Tarim & HKhan, as recommended by Babar ‘The Cyclone’ please dont argue with each other instead lets take it more friendly and in a positive manner. Tarim, In my opinion, we Karachiits are more blessed than other people of the country considering the intensity of weather, Electricity loud shedding etc etc.No doubt barshen kam hoti hen but itni bhi nahi k hum enjoy na kar sarken but haan ye zaroor hai k hamara number thora peeche hai….but no worries as we will definitely get the double blessings of Allah soon i.e. Ramadan & Rain….:)

    1. Tarim Avatar
      Tarim

      10 hours of load shedding in my area.

      1. HKhan Avatar
        HKhan

        12 hours of load shedding in my area..

    2. HKhan Avatar
      HKhan

      Ameen.

      1. Tarim Avatar
        Tarim

        we also recieve a special prize from KESC everyday with unexpected blackouts lasting 1-3 hours everyday

  34. HKhan Avatar
    HKhan

    I wasn’t complaining, I was just trying to boost the morale of Karachians by telling them they are blessed as well.

    @Tarim, it’s uncool to pick fights with ladies..

    I apologize everyone. Sorry, let’s move on..

    1. Tarim Avatar
      Tarim

      Guess who started it.

      1. PWP Avatar

        Cheer up everyone and enjoy the weather :)

  35. arif Avatar
    arif

    the most polluted city of pakistan is karachi.

  36. arif Avatar
    arif

    thats why there is a very long dry spells

  37. Saleem Ahmed Avatar
    Saleem Ahmed

    I believe, absolutely nothing to appologize to anyone.

  38. Tarim Avatar
    Tarim

    A gift for you KM :

    http://www.nrlmry.navy.mil/aerosol_web/loop_html/globaer_india_loop.html

    And we were so happy, this is the reason why the low won’t come to SIndh.

    1. PWP Avatar

      Finally the U.S Navy fixed the link, thanks for informing :)
      Rain chances still persist during middle week of July.

      1. PWP Avatar

        Showing chances of daily drizzle.

  39. Tarim Avatar
    Tarim

    Well, GFS is still showing heavy rains in Sindh including Karachi from 21st.
    They’re showing no rains this week though. It’s because of that strong dust cloud over SIndh.

  40. HKhan Avatar
    HKhan

    PWP, accuweather is forecasting no rain for tonight in Jalalia and sorrounding areas, do you think they are right about that?

    1. PWP Avatar

      The chances of rain/showers persists till July 10, fresh thunderclouds can form during late night/early morning. Late night thunderstorm is now dissipating over NE Punjab. I believe some rain might have occurred in Jalalia?

      1. HKhan Avatar
        HKhan

        Yes it did occur early morning hours. Have been getting some every night since second spell started.
        Hmmm will have to wait and watch what happens.

  41. Zeeshan Avatar
    Zeeshan

    Rained heavily in Lahore today from 10am to 12pm (especially near canal road area).

    1. PWP Avatar

      Yes there was a large thunderstorm crossing NE Punjab, weakening over NE Punjab now.

      1. Muhammad IMTIAZ Avatar
        Muhammad IMTIAZ

        Babar bhai Risalpur received heavy rain with strong winds last night. is there more chances of Rain. and the other thing is that most rains of monsoon in risalpur occur durind night time. i remeber only 2004 in which most rains occur during afternoon or daytime. Whats the reason behind that?

      2. PWP Avatar

        Good to know.
        One of the reason could be, these thunderclouds start forming in the mid-day/evening and cause rain at night and starts dissipating in the morning. During the day the sun causes the process of evaporation. Warm air starts absorbing moisture during the day and at night the air becomes cooler due to decrease in temp and it cannot hold moisture and thus its start releasing moisture in the form of rain.

  42. Tarim Avatar
    Tarim

    @Hkhan :

    Just look at your own attitude. I never accused you of anything I just said that you should be grateful for the high amount of precipitation you get throughout the year instead of criticizing. Like Babar bhai said, “Every part of Pakistan’s weather is good in it’s own way”. We have mild temperatures, you have high amount of precipitation. I think this is fair enough don’t you think ?

    1. HKhan Avatar
      HKhan

      You very first reply to my question was or post which was not even directed at you but only the the owner of this site..

      your post.. “You people get rains almost daily in the monsoon season and also in the winter season, what more do you want ?”

      Don’t you feel the tone is harsh?? And my post wasn’t even directed at you..
      You sound like a angry, sarcastic, and over confident person.
      Shut up already.

      1. Tarim Avatar
        Tarim

        “shut up already”

        What a nice tone…

      2. Tarim Avatar
        Tarim

        I was trying to put something in your empty brain that despite hot weather you people get good rains year that give you a relief.

        There was no name of the admin in the question so how would I have known who were you referring the question to ?

        Anyways, sorry for the mess.

  43. Saleem Ahmed Avatar
    Saleem Ahmed

    Where does this palace ‘Jalalia’ is beign situated? Naam se lagta hai is city k sab loug her waqt Jalaal men rehte hon gay…perhaps… :P

    1. Tarim Avatar
      Tarim

      lol :p

    2. HKhan Avatar
      HKhan

      Yes, be careful, if you attack me for no reason, you will have to take it from me too…

    3. HKhan Avatar
      HKhan

      Oh lol, I don’t live in a “palace” …for Allah’s sake..

      1. Tarim Avatar
        Tarim

        You’re so pathetic and stupid.

  44. Saleem Ahmed Avatar
    Saleem Ahmed

    Haan Got it, where Jalalia is being situated….its near Attock….The Pakhtoon Da…. :P

  45. Saleem Ahmed Avatar
    Saleem Ahmed

    Babar, whats the letus update regrading the low at bay of bangal of any other area?

    1. PWP Avatar

      Bay’s UAC persists. GFS showing westward movement while another version showing NW movement then moving towards central India.

  46. Saleem Ahmed Avatar
    Saleem Ahmed

    i meant, at Bay of Bangal or any other area?

  47. Tarim Avatar
    Tarim

    It’s good to see high level clouds daily in the evening :)

    1. PWP Avatar

      Yes, also good to see daily drizzle in parts of Karachi.

  48. Tarim Avatar
    Tarim

    @KM :

    Is that 3rd spell for Upper Pakistan only ?

    1. PWP Avatar

      I think you didnt read ‘Road map for Monsoonistan’ :P
      Once the second spell ends more information will be provided on upcoming spell.

      1. Tarim Avatar
        Tarim

        Yeah I didn’t read it dearly.

  49. Zeeshan Avatar
    Zeeshan

    Raining in Lahore right now!

  50. Saleem Ahmed Avatar
    Saleem Ahmed

    Dear Tarim & Khan Sb, pls agar aap dono aik dosre ko avoid kar len tou sab k liye behter ho ga coz ab jo words exchange hona shoru ho gaye hen wo thaeek nahi…..is liye pls stop blaming eachother and stay blessed and happy.

    1. Tarim Avatar
      Tarim

      I take back every offensive work I said.

      1. Tarim Avatar
        Tarim

        Word*

  51. Saleem Ahmed Avatar
    Saleem Ahmed

    Dear Babar & All, Ramazan Greetings!

    Barbar, PMD par BOB ka satellite imgae dekh kar feel ho raha hai UAC/low has further intesified….pls check and update.

    1. PWP Avatar

      Yes the pressure is dropping, might see a low today/tomorrow.

  52. Saleem Ahmed Avatar
    Saleem Ahmed

    *intensified.

  53. Tarim Avatar
    Tarim

    I just hope it gives meaningful rains to Sindh. :)

  54. Tarim Avatar
    Tarim

    @KM :

    Has the low pressure enough strength to intensify into a well-marked low ?

    1. PWP Avatar

      Well intensifying into a low is very much likely, no model yet showing it intensifying further. Though they are showing movement towards southern Sindh.

      1. Tarim Avatar
        Tarim

        Yeah I noticed that. It’s focus would be towards coastal and SE Sindh.

      2. Tarim Avatar
        Tarim

        Models also showing that it would weaken significantly after entering Sindh.

  55. Tarim Avatar
    Tarim

    Very dense cloud mass around the UAC :)

  56. Tarim Avatar
    Tarim

    Dust cloud is still very strong.

  57. Saleem Ahmed Avatar
    Saleem Ahmed

    I still dont understnad the term ‘dust cloud’ means ppllution or something else? am really looking forwad to these dense clouds…iam dying to see that. :P….thanks God they are finally coming…. :)

    1. Tarim Avatar
      Tarim

      They won’t be as strong as they are right now when they come to Sindh.

  58. HKhan Avatar
    HKhan

    PWP, Second spell started after I think 4-5 days from end of first spell..is the 3rd spell going to start the same way?

    1. PWP Avatar

      Yes we can say this,
      Rain starting around July 15 in the northern areas, would give the -+ error day soon.

      1. HKhan Avatar
        HKhan

        @Tarim wrote “Youโ€™re so pathetic and stupid.”

        Thank you. I apologize once again, and Ramadhan Mubarak. May Allah bless you and your family abundantly with all that is good in this world and hereafter.

  59. Saleem Ahmed Avatar
    Saleem Ahmed

    Tarim, why they would lose the strength? Arabian sea se further moisture nahi gain ho ga?

    1. Tarim Avatar
      Tarim

      The reason for the low pressure to lose strength is the dust cloud.

  60. Saleem Ahmed Avatar
    Saleem Ahmed

    Also, waiting for the explanation of ‘Dust Cloud’?

    1. Tarim Avatar
      Tarim

      Dust cloud is simply dust that goes airborne and forms a massive cloud of dust that blocks or stalls monsoon moisture, so yeah, it’s a type of pollution. It’s still a theory though but it has been observed that whenever dust concentration is strong over Sindh or any other area, there’s very less precipitation seen in those areas.

    2. Tarim Avatar
      Tarim

      http://www.nrlmry.navy.mil/aerosol_web/loop_html/globaer_india_loop.html

      Look in the bottom left corner. This is the dust cloud, It’s strong over Sindh.

      1. Saleem Ahmed Avatar
        Saleem Ahmed

        Appreciate & Thank you.

  61. Saleem Ahmed Avatar
    Saleem Ahmed

    Babar, why the third spell will be shared with notheren parts pats of the country? I mean like first or second spell sindh se share kiyo nahi hua…. :(….similarly third spell ki direction agar southern parts ki traf hai tou phir how would that affect the uppar parts? i mean sirf aur sirf sindh ya adjoining balochistan ko affect hona chahiyye :(

    1. PWP Avatar

      Its not necessary, upper areas have more fruitful conditions for rain, for instant circulations can form near it while the moist western low play a major rain in pulling all the moisture towards itself. The first and second spell were the cause of the western winds as well as monsoon moisture.

  62. zahid syed Avatar
    zahid syed

    babar bhai what about sukkur and adjoining areas in ramzan shrif

    1. PWP Avatar

      Passing clouds till many days.

  63. Saleem Ahmed Avatar
    Saleem Ahmed

    South China sea men jo Cyclone ghoom raha tha wo ghoom ghoom kar Malang ban gaya hai aur apni mout aaap mar raha hai…. :P

  64. Tarim Avatar
    Tarim

    It’s a strong cyclone. Clear eye indicates a powerful hurricane.

  65. Saleem Ahmed Avatar
    Saleem Ahmed

    OK i thought k strength lose kar gaya hai….but agay move kio nahi ho raha?

  66. Saleem Ahmed Avatar
    Saleem Ahmed

    another thing, is south china cyclone ki waja se hamare moon soon par tou koi farq nahi pare ga coz agar ye cyclone strong hai tou sara moisture kha jaye ga?

    1. Tarim Avatar
      Tarim

      :D

      1. HKhan Avatar
        HKhan

        @Tarim wrote โ€œYouโ€™re so pathetic and stupid.โ€

        Thank you. I apologize once again, and Ramadhan Mubarak. May Allah bless you and your family abundantly with all that is good in this world and hereafter.

  67. Tarim Avatar
    Tarim

    @Hkhan Amazing how people only publicize Mistakes or bad deeds of people.

    @Tarim also wrote “I take back every offensive work I said.”.

    1. Tarim Avatar
      Tarim

      word*

  68. Tarim Avatar
    Tarim

    I apologize too.

    1. HKhan Avatar
      HKhan

      No problem..

  69. Saleem Ahmed Avatar
    Saleem Ahmed

    Dear Tarim & MS.Hkhan, many congratulation on your peace accord….eventually but ye sab Ramzan ki barkat se hua hai coz sare shaitaan aur Shaitaniyan Qaid kar diye jaate hen :P :P :P

    1. Tarim Avatar
      Tarim

      But shetaan hamarey nafs ko train krke gya ha :P

  70. Saleem Ahmed Avatar
    Saleem Ahmed

    Hurrah!!! the dust cloud has gone from sindh…..
    Dear Babar / Tarim, pls comment, will that encourage moonsoon clouds to reach sindh with proper intensity?

    1. PWP Avatar

      Today’s image is showing weaker version.
      But it shows again strengthening around the time of the 3rd spell in the country.

      1. Tarim Avatar
        Tarim

        Yup ! The main cause of the 3rd spell to be weaker.

    2. Tarim Avatar
      Tarim

      It’s not gone :p

  71. Saleem Ahmed Avatar
    Saleem Ahmed

    O Bhaiyon, uth jao…..kiya aftar tak soote raho gay….utho shahbash.

  72. Tarim Avatar
    Tarim

    @KM :

    GFS still showing heavy rain in SIndh from 21st.

    1. PWP Avatar

      Yes GFS shows a strong thunderstorm to move through Karachi during that time. It will change every 6 hours.

      1. Tarim Avatar
        Tarim

        GFS showing heavy rains since 7th july.

      2. PWP Avatar

        First GFS showed good rains on July 5, then on July 13 then July 15 then on July 17 then it showed dry days and now it shows rains on July 22.

  73. Tarim Avatar
    Tarim

    That cyclone is also weakening.

  74. Tarim Avatar
    Tarim

    Image showing that the dust cloud would further weaken and then again strengthen from 15th.

  75. Tarim Avatar
    Tarim

    SO, How are you all doing :)

    1. PWP Avatar

      Hahahahaha..First Roza is the toughest always. :p

      1. Tarim Avatar
        Tarim

        hahahahaha true :D

  76. Tarim Avatar
    Tarim

    Low pressure inland, moving WNW.

    1. PWP Avatar

      It can recurve back!

  77. Tarim Avatar
    Tarim

    @KM :

    It’s very likely that this system won’t affect Pakistan and you know it :p

    1. PWP Avatar

      If the “recurve” was not about to happen then it may have moved towards the country but overall the low has revived the monsoon activity and again we are witnessing clouds crossing south Punjab and Sindh from India. Tomorrow I might decrease the spell chances in central and southern areas. The 3rd spell in the north can be less in intensity than the 2nd spell.

      1. Tarim Avatar
        Tarim

        What would these clouds do while entering Sindh ? Cause heavy rain ? :p

      2. PWP Avatar

        The clouds over SE Sindh are bringing good cloudcover to Sindh. They can bring drizzle/isolated shower with thunder/lightning to some parts of SE Sindh.

  78. Tarim Avatar
    Tarim

    When will we get rains ? :S No hope in this month.

  79. Tarim Avatar
    Tarim

    In simple words, GFS is trolling with us.

  80. Tarim Avatar
    Tarim

    From now on, I won’t believe it will rain until it really rains.

  81. Craig Dremann Avatar

    Thanks for your help Babar to get the NAAPS Dust Cloud images online, and today’s image has been copied to http://www.ecoseeds.com/dust-7-11-13.png which shows a strong Dust Cloud stalling the monsoon over India, and you can read the details of the India floods today at http://reliefweb.int/report/india/southwest-monsoon-2013-daily-flood-situation-report-summary-important-events-10072013

    1. PWP Avatar

      Welcome.
      And thanks.

  82. Saleem Ahmed Avatar
    Saleem Ahmed

    Dear Both, yes GFS trolling with both of you and both of you trolling with whole pakistan ;(….disappointing…. ;(

    1. PWP Avatar

      When you follow weather, do expect to get such disappointments..

  83. Saleem Ahmed Avatar
    Saleem Ahmed

    Also, stop visiting and tellings inaccurate predictions of GFS to all other poeple instead do visit weather.yahoo.com which amzingly predict accurately. Yahoo weather has showing 20% chance of rain on 14th July and 60% chances of reain of 21st July….which means k 21st bhi doubtful hai…..is liye matti pao… :(

  84. Tarim Avatar
    Tarim

    @Saleem:

    Yahoo weather follows weather.com

    1. PWP Avatar

      Yes Yahoo follows weather.com. They too changed their rain chances, postponing them!

  85. Tarim Avatar
    Tarim

    And GFS is not inaccurate.

  86. Tarim Avatar
    Tarim

    Temperature rising in Karachi. Currently 35C.

    1. PWP Avatar

      Upper level winds are getting stronger as high levels are coming from NE direction. Low winds still SW.

  87. Tarim Avatar
    Tarim

    This year is going to be a disappointment Karachiites.
    Now wait for september.

    1. PWP Avatar

      Monsoon usually starts after July 15 in Karachi.

  88. Tarim Avatar
    Tarim

    What a powerful system over India.

  89. Tarim Avatar
    Tarim

    Another low forming in the BOB ?

    1. PWP Avatar

      The current low would re-curve and become unimportant.
      A new low can form after the mid-week of July!

  90. Tarim Avatar
    Tarim

    But you said you were going to downgrade the chances in SIndh :o

    1. PWP Avatar

      Yes I did as yesterday it seemed that once the low starts to weaken and moves NNE wards. The cloud mass may spread over the western parts of India and not advance further eastwards but today we saw that due to the circulation, clouds are more active in the south-western parts of India and are moving eastwards.

      1. Tarim Avatar
        Tarim

        Then maybe it may not curve back and move towards Karachi :D

      2. PWP Avatar

        Hahahaha…that would be awesome :p

  91. Tarim Avatar
    Tarim

    Light rain near safurah.

    1. PWP Avatar

      Is it raining in your area?

      1. Tarim Avatar
        Tarim

        Light rain + Thick droplets.

      2. PWP Avatar

        How was the cloud-cover?

  92. Tarim Avatar
    Tarim

    These are the clouds from the system that are causing rain, not SW clouds.

    1. PWP Avatar

      low level SW winds have weakened, at the moment few SW clouds are forming in Karachi while high clouds are continuously coming from India.

  93. Tarim Avatar
    Tarim

    @KM :

    Stratocumulus clouds started covering the sky at 6:30. at 7, SW clouds covered the sky so I was unable to see the stratocumulus clouds.
    Light rain started at 8:30.

    1. PWP Avatar

      Okay thanks.

  94. Tarim Avatar
    Tarim

    As far as I know, stratocumulus clouds appear before a storm.

    1. Tarim Avatar
      Tarim

      Usually*

      1. PWP Avatar

        Yes, normally before rain. Well chances are there of light intensity rain.

  95. Ahsan Avatar
    Ahsan

    Hi Baber

    What are the obstacles against the rains in south now.

    1. Tarim Avatar
      Tarim

      The one and only, “THE MIGHTY DUST CLOUD”.

      1. Ahsan Avatar
        Ahsan

        Tarim

        Dust cloud was also active in 2011 although KHI received a good rains in 2011

    2. PWP Avatar

      Looking at the NRL Images, Dust cloud appears to have weakened. Low is over central India while the circulation is seen moving towards Sindh, as it moves it is weakening. Light intensity rain has occurred in parts of Sindh yesterday.

  96. Tarim Avatar
    Tarim

    @Ahsan :

    So was in 2012. I don’t remember 2012 being a wet year.

  97. Tarim Avatar
    Tarim

    Karachi received torrential rains from the last week of august in 2011. Dust cloud was weakened during that time.

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